| 00:05 | <Hixie> | ok well we now have pdf versions of the spec available |
| 00:05 | <Hixie> | there are some issues with prince and implied elements, but oh well |
| 00:24 | <MikeSmith> | Hixie - the PDF links are currently just in the version at the WHATWG site? |
| 00:32 | <Hixie> | yeah |
| 00:32 | <Hixie> | it's enough work getting it working for the whatwg one without worrying about the w3c one too :-) |
| 00:35 | <annevk> | hopefully this encourages mikeday to make a C version of html5lib |
| 00:37 | <annevk> | whoa, the PDF is 3.4MB |
| 00:39 | <Lachy> | 3.4MB seems reasonable given that the HTML version is about 2MB |
| 02:15 | <MikeSmith> | PDFs I generate from Prince even for small docs seem to end up around 600KB or more |
| 05:01 | <Hixie> | i love the type of comments lachlan has gotten |
| 05:01 | <Hixie> | they applaud his initiative, and then say he should do something else |
| 05:01 | <Hixie> | without actually DOING it |
| 05:14 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 05:15 | <MikeSmith> | Well, I guess we need to figure out a way to facilitate collaboration on the document |
| 05:16 | <MikeSmith> | Lachy - you around? |
| 05:27 | <MikeSmith> | There is at least one person, Terry Morris, who's asked how he can help out |
| 05:29 | <MikeSmith> | Maybe for now I should suggest that he submit his edits/changes to the current version |
| 05:29 | <MikeSmith> | I suppose somebody will suggest soon that we need yet another mailing list for this |
| 07:23 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: the pdf looks good. thank you |
| 07:35 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: my pleasure. thanks for the help. |
| 10:32 | <Lachy> | MikeSmith, yo! |
| 10:34 | <MikeSmith> | Lachy - just wanted to point out message from Terry Morris offering to help on authors doc |
| 10:34 | <MikeSmith> | I guess I could set him or anybody else up with ssh/cvs access to the source |
| 10:34 | <MikeSmith> | but would rather not unless/until |
| 10:35 | <MikeSmith> | they have actually produced something they want to contribute |
| 10:36 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, see my reply to him on public-html |
| 10:36 | <Lachy> | I've been thinking about how to manage people's contributions a bit too |
| 10:36 | <MikeSmith> | I guess it's not worth spending too much time thinking about until there are some actual contributions from others |
| 10:37 | <Lachy> | I think the best way would be to set up a wiki page somewhere where people can write their suggestions |
| 10:38 | <Lachy> | I'd rather not just let anyone be co-editor with CVS access. I think it's worth waiting to find out how good their contributions are first. |
| 10:38 | <MikeSmith> | aye |
| 10:39 | <Lachy> | I know nothing about Terry Morris. What's his background, experience, past contributions, etc? So let's test people out on the wiki first |
| 10:41 | <MikeSmith> | Right. For this kind of stuff I don't know what's the best way to encourage people to contribute. |
| 10:41 | <MikeSmith> | On code projects, I think it's normal to just ask people to contribute patches |
| 10:42 | <MikeSmith> | and if/when they've contributed enough to merit it, give them shared write access to the source |
| 10:43 | <Lachy> | yeah, but code is different. For articles, there's the issue of writing style, consistency and other measures of quality that can't be tested programmatically |
| 10:43 | <MikeSmith> | true that |
| 10:44 | <Lachy> | if there's anyone with actual spec/article/tutorial writing experience who's also had real web development experience, it might be good to make them co-editor |
| 10:45 | <MikeSmith> | Yeah |
| 10:46 | <Lachy> | I wanted Roger Johansson to be a co-editor, but he said doesn't have time unfortunately |
| 10:47 | <MikeSmith> | Anyway, I leave it up to you how you want to manage it. If anybody's not happy with what you decide, we can deal with it then. or they are always free to take initiative on developing an alternative version if they want |
| 10:48 | <MikeSmith> | bbl, gotta eat dinner |
| 10:48 | <Lachy> | ok, cya |
| 12:37 | <MikeSmith> | Lachy - fwiw, I checked in a makefile to dev.w3.org/html5 and added some makefiles in the html-authors subdir and some other subdirs that include it by reference |
| 12:38 | <MikeSmith> | so you can just run "make" to build if you want, or "make PUBDATE=2007-11-26" (or whatever) if you want to use a date other than the current one |
| 12:45 | <Lachy> | MikeSmith, cool. That won't be at all useful on my windows machine where I do my editing, but it could work if I migrated that to my mac |
| 12:50 | <MikeSmith> | Lachy - make works on Windows too I think |
| 12:52 | <Philip`> | Should work with Cygwin at least |
| 12:53 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, but I think there's even GNU make that runs under MS-DOS |