| 10:08 | <hsivonen> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/psd/1805709102 |
| 10:52 | gsnedders | stays by the shores of the sea of interoperability |
| 10:52 | <gsnedders> | (having followed the link to TBL's similar thing) |
| 11:21 | <gsnedders> | annevk2: in #whatwg!? what's happened? |
| 11:32 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: what Keynote feature did you use to create a timeline? |
| 11:57 | hsivonen | is totally puzzled with Keynote not having an obvious way to turn a CVS table of labels and numbers into a bar chart |
| 13:14 | <hsivonen> | where might I find a reference to the W3C decision to leave 4.01 as the last version of HTML and move to XHTML |
| 13:20 | <Dashiva> | Not a good reference, but /tr/html leads to XHTML 1.0 |
| 13:22 | <hsivonen> | Dashiva: I meant the meeting and its date when the XML course was decided |
| 13:37 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: last time i searched for it i didn't find anything |
| 13:39 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: ok. good to know |
| 13:40 | <zcorpan> | which was... hmm, perhaps 2 years ago |
| 13:44 | <Lachy> | hsivonen, it would have been decided around 1998-1999 when work on XHTML began |
| 14:51 | <zcorpan> | <title> <textarea> <style> <script> <xmp> <noscript> <iframe> <noembed> <noframes> |
| 14:51 | <zcorpan> | are there any others that are [R]CDATA elements? |
| 14:51 | <zcorpan> | <xml> in ie, i think, but other than that? |
| 14:56 | <zcorpan> | i guess <applet> and <object> are pseudo-CDATA in ie too |
| 16:42 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: feature request: it would be useful to be able to group errors by message (perhaps so by default even), because often there are lots of errors of the same type and you usually fix them with a search-and-replace |
| 16:42 | <zcorpan> | e.g. http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cafefernando.com%2Fturkce%2F |
| 16:43 | <zcorpan> | s/group/collapse/ |
| 16:48 | <zcorpan> | (in case that page changes: it contains lots of "<a .../><img/></a>" which results in lots of "Stray / in tag." and "An a start tag seen with already an active a element." messages) |
| 17:08 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: feature request recorded. However, I probably won't be implementing the requested feature any time soon, because Validator.nu doesn't have the concept of "same type" and the whole architecture is designed to assume that such grouping is unwanted |
| 17:09 | <hsivonen> | so introducing the feature inside Validator.nu wouldn't be much easier than writing a separate front end that called Validator.nu using the Web service API and did the sorting |
| 17:09 | <zcorpan> | hsivonen: it could be javascript |
| 17:10 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: true. I hadn't though of that |
| 17:10 | <zcorpan> | btw, do you think it would be useful for you if the PFWG produced schemas for XHTML+ARIA? |
| 17:11 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: which XHTML? |
| 17:12 | <hsivonen> | zcorpan: which schema language? |
| 17:12 | <zcorpan> | not sure |
| 17:12 | <hsivonen> | I'm probably going to write XHTML5+ARIA in due course |
| 18:14 | <aroben> | Lachy: yt? |
| 18:15 | <Lachy> | y |
| 18:16 | <aroben> | Lachy: do you think http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/Guide/ is an appropriate place for an overview of <canvas>? |
| 18:16 | <aroben> | Lachy: should the offline apps overview be merged in as well? |
| 18:18 | <Lachy> | aroben, if it's something that would be suitable for the Web Dev's Guide to HTML 5, then sure |
| 18:19 | <aroben> | Lachy: the offline apps overview is certainly something that developers will want to read, though I don't think it's developer-specific |
| 18:20 | <Lachy> | are you talking about an overview that already exists somewhere? |
| 18:20 | <aroben> | Lachy: for offline apps, yes |
| 18:21 | <Lachy> | link? |
| 18:21 | <aroben> | Lachy: Hixie and anne wrote it |
| 18:21 | aroben | finds it |
| 18:21 | <Lachy> | this thing http://dev.w3.org/html5/offline-webapps/ ? |
| 18:21 | <aroben> | Lachy: yes |
| 18:25 | <Lachy> | it might be suitable, I'll have to think about it. I wasn't intending to look at that stuff for quite a while and will focus on the more stable sections |
| 18:26 | <aroben> | Lachy: I was thinking about starting to write a <canvas> overview, and so I wanted to figure out if I should just do it within the developer's guide |
| 18:31 | <Philip`> | aroben: Do you have ideas of what the overview would include? (I think duplicating the tutorial content that's already on the Mozilla wiki wouldn't be useful, but there are other things that aren't clearly written anywhere yet (as far as I'm aware)) |
| 18:32 | <hsivonen> | is there a vector PDF whatwg logo available? |
| 18:32 | <aroben> | Philip`: I've only just started thinking about it |
| 18:33 | <aroben> | Philip`: existing documents I'm aware of are |
| 18:33 | <aroben> | http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Drawing_Graphics_with_Canvas |
| 18:33 | <aroben> | http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Canvas_tutorial |
| 18:33 | <aroben> | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Conceptual/SafariJSProgTopics/Tasks/Canvas.html |
| 18:34 | <aroben> | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariJSRef/Classes/Canvas.html |
| 18:37 | <Philip`> | aroben: Okay - I can't think of any other relevant documents except for scattered pieces in blogs and mailing lists |
| 18:37 | <Lachy> | aroben, you're welcome to contribute stuff about canvas if you like |
| 18:38 | <Philip`> | Oh, there's also some book stuff like http://safari.oreilly.com/0596102437/html_canvas which I can't read |
| 18:43 | <aroben> | Lachy: thanks, I guess we can always separate it out if we think that's more appropriate |
| 18:43 | <aroben> | Lachy: but I'd like to err on the side of fewer documents |
| 19:29 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: no special feature, just some shapes |
| 19:32 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: ok seems tedious. I implemented each year as a slide |
| 19:33 | gsnedders | draws a circle around Hixie, and a square around hsivonen |
| 19:34 | <hsivonen> | (aside: I'm in awe over the level of suckiness of Keynote's chart tools and even more in awe over the suckiness of Numbers in general when trying to make something to paste to Keynote) |
| 19:40 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: oh it was _very_ tedious |
| 19:40 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: but it worked much better (imho) to have it all on one screen |
| 19:40 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: what version? |
| 19:43 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: '08 |
| 19:46 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: ah. well. compared to v1, believe me, '08 is a dream. |
| 19:46 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: (also a dream compared to ppt) |
| 20:02 | <hsivonen> | hrm. Safari does not print SVG |
| 20:03 | <hsivonen> | Minefield print SVG but as bitmaps |
| 20:04 | <hsivonen> | and Opera crashes printing SVG |
| 20:05 | <hsivonen> | Prince to rescue |
| 20:10 | <othermaciej> | Safari doesn't print SVG? |
| 20:10 | othermaciej | is mildly surprised |
| 20:11 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: well, at least does not preview or save as PDF |
| 20:13 | <othermaciej> | does it refuse, or does the PDF come out blank? |
| 20:13 | <hsivonen> | othermaciej: comes out blank |
| 22:58 | <Hixie> | sure are a lot of odd things on *.com.com subdomains |
| 23:01 | <Hixie> | what on earth is http://www2.2ch.net/snow/index.js |
| 23:02 | <Hixie> | an analytics script, it seems |
| 23:02 | <Hixie> | how weird |
| 23:12 | <Dashiva> | It's also supposed to be shift-jis, for what it matters |
| 23:14 | <MikeSmith> | there's a whole lot of weirdness on 2ch.net |
| 23:14 | <MikeSmith> | if Jorge Luis Borges were still alive he could write a great story about it |
| 23:15 | <MikeSmith> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2ch |
| 23:15 | <MikeSmith> | ni-chaneru |
| 23:41 | <Hixie> | MikeSmith: interesting |
| 23:52 | Hixie | stares at http://engine.cqvip.com/content/script/mainfuncation.js is confusion |
| 23:53 | <Hixie> | what on earth is <script src=poem.js></script> used for |
| 23:56 | <Lachy> | Hixie, where is poem.js used? |
| 23:56 | <gavin> | did you mean to give the URL? |
| 23:58 | <Hixie> | lachy: i don't know. |
| 23:58 | <Hixie> | Lachy: google searches suggest arabic bulletin boards. |
| 23:59 | <Lachy> | ok. Then how is anyone supposed to know what that script is used for without seeing it in context? |
| 23:59 | <Hixie> | it's often quite easy |
| 23:59 | <Hixie> | e.g. if i ask what jquery.js is for, everyone knows :-) |