| 00:00 | <ojan> | https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2008-October/005442.html |
| 00:00 | <ojan> | oops. sorry. |
| 00:01 | <ojan> | stupid focus issues. |
| 00:37 | <takkaria> | I love the latest lastweek post |
| 00:50 | <roc> | olliej: yes, thanks |
| 08:08 | <Hixie> | good lord |
| 08:09 | <Hixie> | i've had better network connectivity on aircraft over the pacific |
| 08:09 | <virtuelv> | Hixie: is it that bad today? |
| 08:10 | <virtuelv> | uhm, yeah, 2.4 second lag on IRC says so |
| 08:10 | <Hixie> | 8% packet loss, round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 240.488/710.241/1033.070/166.841 ms |
| 08:10 | <Hixie> | >500ms pings to the router in the hotel, let alone anywhere useful |
| 08:13 | <gsnedders> | I can't get a ping to/from router |
| 08:15 | <Hixie> | so next year's meeting might be at the scmariott.com hotel |
| 08:15 | <Hixie> | i notice on their front page: |
| 08:15 | <Hixie> | that they are a TAG approved hotel |
| 08:15 | <Hixie> | maybe we should start approving hotels too! |
| 08:19 | <annevk4> | do we really want to get in the endorsing hotel business? :p |
| 08:20 | <gsnedders> | :P |
| 08:21 | <gsnedders> | I guess we need sane bed, sane breakfast, and good free wifi |
| 08:22 | <Hixie> | not the order i would have put them in, but yes |
| 08:27 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: What do you want to know if we're discussing? |
| 08:30 | <Hixie> | i'm following the minutes on irc |
| 08:32 | <Lachy> | Hixie, which meeting are you in today? |
| 08:39 | <Hixie> | css right now |
| 09:02 | <gsnedders> | What colour should we paint the bikeshed? |
| 09:05 | <Lachy> | multicoloured |
| 09:06 | <virtuelv> | it should have no colour |
| 09:06 | <Lachy> | transparent? |
| 09:07 | <virtuelv> | or it can absorb all colors equally in the spectrum of visible (and invisible) light |
| 09:07 | <virtuelv> | s/equally/completely/ |
| 09:09 | <Lachy> | ok. When we can get totally non-reflective black paint, sure |
| 09:10 | <roc> | black body bikeshed |
| 09:43 | <gsnedders> | anyone know of a CLI browser with Javascript support? |
| 09:49 | <doublec> | gsnedders, elinks? |
| 09:49 | <gsnedders> | doublec: Copy in Debian doesn't support it, and I can't be bothered compiling a browser from scratch just to do one bloody thing |
| 09:53 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: Facebook doesn't work either, seemingly |
| 09:53 | gsnedders | is trying IE |
| 09:54 | <gsnedders> | The progress bar is moving, at least |
| 09:54 | <gsnedders> | If it has any meaning :P |
| 09:54 | <gsnedders> | And now stuck, waiting for server to never respond |
| 12:28 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: yt? |
| 12:46 | <annevk4> | network... |
| 12:46 | <MikeSmith> | annevk4: is Henri around? |
| 12:46 | <annevk4> | yes |
| 12:46 | <MikeSmith> | where? |
| 12:46 | <annevk4> | should I summon him elsewhere? |
| 12:46 | <annevk4> | webapps |
| 12:47 | <MikeSmith> | OK |
| 12:51 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: I'm here now |
| 12:51 | <Hixie> | hsivonen: can you come to room 135? knock on the door |
| 12:52 | <hsivonen> | I'm supposed to be in the PF room at 14 |
| 12:52 | <hsivonen> | Hixie: is room 135 a meeting rrom or a hotel room? |
| 12:53 | <hsivonen> | looking for the rom now |
| 14:07 | <annevk4> | so is anything interesting happening over there? |
| 14:07 | <annevk4> | my meeting is basically over |
| 14:08 | <annevk4> | Hixie, ^^ |
| 15:15 | <annevk4> | Hixie, you might want to check http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/10/normative-references-conformance.html#c167608 |
| 15:18 | annevk4 | thought Hixie said CSSWG was discussing HTML5 |
| 15:23 | <Hixie> | annevk4: i said counters. :-) which might affect html5 |
| 15:28 | <annevk4> | I understood headers/sections too |
| 15:29 | <Hixie> | yeah they said something about html5 headers in the minutes |
| 15:29 | <Hixie> | i'm guessing they'll get to that |
| 15:29 | <annevk4> | ok, cool |
| 15:29 | <annevk4> | I'll continue reading chairs and Member-only lists meanwhile |
| 15:29 | <Hixie> | anything interesting? |
| 15:30 | <annevk4> | chairs continues to be interesting |
| 15:31 | <Hixie> | yeah i'm reading that |
| 15:44 | Hixie | loves the internet |
| 15:44 | <Hixie> | i'm sitting in a room with a device that has no wires coming off it |
| 15:44 | <Hixie> | i'm in france |
| 15:45 | <Hixie> | yet i'm copying files from my girlfriend's laptop to our mac mini in our living room in the us |
| 15:47 | <Hixie> | (there's a firewall on both sides, which is even cooler, since it means i have to tunnel things between a third machine over ssh) |
| 15:48 | <wilhelm> | (c: |
| 15:49 | <smedero> | anyone @tpac know where gsnedders or BenMillard might be? |
| 15:49 | annevk4 | notes Hixie is not unique in that :) |
| 15:49 | <hsivonen> | smedero: CSS room for Ben |
| 15:49 | <smedero> | hsivonen: thanks! |
| 15:51 | Philip` | thinks it would be cooler if you didn't have to involve four separate machines just so that you (can watch videos from your living room | have backups | remove incriminating evidence | whatever you're doing) |
| 15:52 | <annevk4> | smedero, gsnedders should be at your hotel |
| 15:53 | <annevk4> | smedero, he was a bit sick |
| 15:53 | <smedero> | annevk4: ahh, bummer. thanks for the info. |
| 15:54 | <annevk4> | smedero, you around now? |
| 15:54 | <smedero> | yep, in the lobby |
| 15:55 | <smedero> | (of the pullman) |
| 15:56 | <Philip`> | The "security image" anti-phishing technique would be much more effective if it wasn't possible for phishing sites to say "Recent update: We have listened to our customers, and to streamline our login process we have removed the need for the security image. Please just enter your username and password: [____] [____] [OK!]" |
| 15:57 | <Dashiva> | Philip`: Or just proxy the image in the case of openID ;) |
| 15:57 | <Hixie> | Philip`: moving videos from carey's laptop to our mac mini so that she has spare room on her hard drive :-) |
| 15:59 | <Philip`> | Hixie: Ah, so the problem is just that the internet is rubbish, so you're still reliant on legacy concepts like local data storage |
| 15:59 | <annevk4> | smedero, ok, CSS is discussing paged media |
| 15:59 | <annevk4> | smedero, I've the feeling I made a mistake going in :) |
| 15:59 | <smedero> | heh. |
| 16:00 | <annevk4> | especially since Ben was suggesting to play frisbee |
| 16:00 | <Hixie> | Philip`: hmmmmmm i guess! |
| 16:00 | <Philip`> | (Paged media? Is that when it's too large to all fit in RAM at once?) |
| 16:00 | <smedero> | I figured at this late in the day, there isn't much point in me observing CSS or anything else |
| 16:00 | <smedero> | lol |
| 16:01 | <annevk4> | Philip`, it's about killing trees |
| 16:01 | <Dashiva> | and slideshows |
| 16:01 | <Philip`> | Oh, good, I don't like trees |
| 16:03 | <smedero_> | oh the wifi here is lovely. |
| 16:03 | <smedero_> | :-( |
| 16:04 | <Philip`> | annevk4: Can't you just ask 'please sir can I go to the toilet?' and then run off and play frisbee? |
| 16:05 | <Philip`> | I always found that was a quite effective tactic |
| 16:05 | <Dashiva> | That's so... british |
| 16:12 | <Lachy> | smedero, are you still in the lobby? |
| 16:12 | <annevk4> | timbl, good you're here, I was wondering if I'm still signed up for a panel or not and whether I should prepare something other than being around |
| 16:13 | <smedero> | Lachy: yep, going through 24+ hours of missed email |
| 16:13 | <Lachy> | smedero, ok. This css stuff is boring me. I'm going to come out shortly |
| 16:13 | <timbl> | annek4, I don't think unless whoever is moderating it has said otherwise you need to prepare a talk. |
| 16:14 | <timbl> | annek4,.. might be a good idea to find others on teh panel beforehand and get to know them a bit |
| 16:14 | <annevk4> | timbl, so you were basically nominating me yesterday, I wasn't sure whether that was serious |
| 16:14 | <annevk4> | sorry, seems it was |
| 16:14 | <annevk4> | I should have checked the agenda first |
| 16:15 | <timbl> | If you don't want to do it don't. But you have been vocal about philosophy of html5. So have hixie and henri d |
| 16:15 | <timbl> | s/ s/ d |
| 16:15 | <Lachy> | smedero, are you upstairs or downstairs? |
| 16:15 | <annevk4> | timbl, ok |
| 16:16 | <smedero> | Lachy: I'm downstairs, next to the casino entrance... wearing a black long sleeved shirt. |
| 16:17 | <Dashiva> | This sounds like a spy movie |
| 16:18 | <annevk4> | we're in casino royale |
| 16:18 | <annevk4> | well, royale casino to be fair, but that's less fun |
| 16:21 | <Dashiva> | Could make for some exciting (completely fictional) reports afterwards |
| 16:28 | <Hixie> | is chaals onlien anywhere? |
| 16:30 | <Hixie> | many of his "must"s in progress events make little sense to me |
| 21:15 | <csarven> | Are there any known UA issues for creating an element inside <img> in HTML4 |
| 21:18 | <Hixie> | not to my knowledge but i doubt it is widely tested |