| 00:03 | <Hixie> | the holidays are boring. no controversy on the tag or ac lists. |
| 00:03 | <Hixie> | still no replies to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Dec/0083.html |
| 00:03 | <Hixie> | and i doubt it's because everyone was suddenly convinced |
| 00:07 | <webben> | Hixie: That's a lovely simple case-study of why defining error-handling is a Good Thing. |
| 00:23 | <Hixie> | webben: yeah |
| 00:31 | <Hixie> | webben: i just love that it was brought up as an attempt of reductio ad absurdum, and it was really a perfect simple example |
| 00:32 | <webben> | very neat, yes :) |
| 01:02 | Hixie | learns about "SACD" disks |
| 01:02 | <Hixie> | apparently this christmas present will not play on normal audio players |
| 01:02 | <Hixie> | though the ps3 supports it! |
| 01:03 | <Hixie> | not that that helps me at all |
| 01:03 | <Hixie> | man, these have even more obnoxious drm than bluray |
| 01:07 | <webben> | Hixie: "not that that helps me at all" ... unless you were looking for an excuse to buy a PS3, presumably ;) |
| 01:09 | myakura | thinks that current PS3 has removed its playback |
| 01:11 | <Hixie> | they removed digital playback iirc |
| 01:11 | <Hixie> | but i think analog still works |
| 01:11 | <Hixie> | (by ps3 is hooked up to a 20 year old tv, so...) |
| 01:14 | <Lachy> | I'd never heard of an SACD before either |
| 01:15 | <Lachy> | wikipedia says there's currently no way to crack the DRM. That sucks. |
| 01:15 | <myakura> | yeah, that really sucks |
| 01:15 | <Lachy> | though if SACD ever becomes popular enough, someone will be motivated enough to crack it. |
| 01:17 | <Lachy> | I just buy all my music in DRM free format online anyway. I don't think I'd ever be interested in returning to physical media, especially with DRM, again |
| 01:18 | <Lachy> | I discovered that 7digital.com doesn't seem to enforce regional restrictions, like stores like Amazon MP3 do |
| 01:18 | <myakura> | (though the sound quality is way better than ordinary CDs, i kinda like the format |
| 01:18 | <Lachy> | I don't have a sound system that can take advantage of the better quality sound anyway |
| 01:19 | myakura | neither :( |
| 01:19 | <Lachy> | but even if I did, I'd still rather rip the music to a hard drive than have to use a disc |
| 01:19 | <Lachy> | that's what I do with my DVDs. Rip them with MacTheRipper and create an ISO with mkisofs |
| 01:24 | <Lachy> | btw, my christmas present is probably going to end up costing me up to $800 in a repair bill, thanks to faulty manufacturing of DVD packaging |
| 01:25 | <Lachy> | (that's $800 AUD. I was told up to 4000 NOK) |
| 01:27 | <webben> | faulty packaging did that? |
| 01:27 | <Hixie> | i have very nice speakers (audioengine5) but they're still just 2.0 stereo |
| 01:28 | <Hixie> | so this sacd is lost on me anyway |
| 01:28 | <Hixie> | oh well |
| 01:28 | <Hixie> | it's my fault, i should have noticed it wasn'ta cd when i put it on my amazon wishlist :-) |
| 01:40 | <Lachy> | webben, glue from the DVD packaging had become stuck to the underside of the disc, and without noticing, I put that into my DVD drive. The drive is now screwed |
| 01:40 | <webben> | eww... that's one to watch out for :( |
| 01:40 | <Lachy> | It was The Simpsons Season 11, limited editon collectors box set |
| 01:41 | <Lachy> | it worst package design I've ever seen. The discs are so hard to get out |
| 01:42 | <Lachy> | I contacted Fox today, asking them to replace the disc and compensate me for my repair expenses. Though it's the weekend and I probably won't hear back till next week |
| 02:50 | annevk | is back; time to go to bed :) |
| 03:37 | <Hixie> | so www.whatwg.org traffic spiked the week of feb 17th 2008, and the week of april 30th |
| 03:37 | <Hixie> | i wonder why |
| 03:39 | <dave_levin> | Happy birthday Hixie. |
| 03:40 | <Hixie> | thanks :-) |
| 03:42 | <Hixie> | i wonder which bot is using "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)" |
| 03:42 | <Hixie> | whatwg's highest usage is from that bot this month |
| 03:56 | <Hixie> | can someone tell me what this means?: |
| 03:56 | <Hixie> | > Just one thing: a note says a synthetic click doesn't perform the same |
| 03:56 | <Hixie> | > actions as required by the click() method, but those seems suitable as |
| 03:56 | <Hixie> | > pre-click activation steps (or post-click, if needed), eventually |
| 03:56 | <Hixie> | > telling the UA to take care of the synthetic click source (user's device |
| 03:56 | <Hixie> | > or document scripts) if such causes any difference, aren't they? |
| 07:32 | <zcorpan_> | hmm, either the forums weren't spammed during christmas, or it was cleaned up already |
| 07:33 | <zcorpan_> | 190 new emails, less than i expected |
| 07:42 | <Hixie> | yeah so little e-mail |
| 07:45 | zcorpan_ | wonders when https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8131 will be fixed |
| 08:50 | <zcorpan_> | Hixie: is this conforming? <svg><foreignobject> foo <br> baz </foreignobject></svg> |
| 08:51 | <Hixie> | i believe so |
| 08:51 | <Hixie> | though i don't know which spec is responsible for knowing how to render the "foo" |
| 08:51 | <Hixie> | ask the svg wg i guess |
| 08:52 | <zcorpan_> | the spec seems to only talk about which *elements* are allowed |
| 08:53 | <Hixie> | yes |
| 08:53 | <annevk> | Hixie, "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)" was causing the huge traffic spike on html5.org |
| 08:53 | <Hixie> | annevk: did you get an IP address? |
| 08:53 | <zcorpan_> | what does interleaved mean? is it not allowed to nest mathml in html in svg? |
| 08:53 | <annevk> | Hixie, it uses a proxy |
| 08:53 | <annevk> | Hixie, lots of them |
| 08:54 | <Hixie> | annevk: which country? |
| 08:54 | <annevk> | dunno, I'm using the stats package from dreamhost |
| 08:54 | <annevk> | it seems it is still hitting the server, but it now gets 403 back (it always requested URIs with & in them rather than &) |
| 08:55 | <Hixie> | zcorpan_: <a/><b/><a/><b/> is a and b interleaved together |
| 08:55 | <Hixie> | zcorpan_: <a/><a/><b/><b/> does not have interleaving |
| 08:55 | <Hixie> | zcorpan_: make sense? |
| 08:57 | <zcorpan_> | Hixie: yeah |
| 08:57 | <annevk> | <svg><foreignObject><h1>test</h1> <math/> <p>wow</p><foreignObjecct></svg> should be fine, no? |
| 08:58 | <Hixie> | what does svg say about how you render that? |
| 08:58 | <annevk> | dunno, I believe I asked once |
| 08:59 | <Hixie> | the reason i made the spec require all the html to be in one block is that then we can define the rendering sanely without stepping outside our area of responsibility and authority |
| 08:59 | <annevk> | I'd hope rendering of <foreignObject> does not depend on children... |
| 09:00 | <zcorpan_> | i think i tested this before and didn't find any interesting interop problems, so the svg spec should just allow it and define it |
| 09:01 | <Hixie> | well i don't really mind allowing multiple html blocks if we can define what it means somewhere |
| 09:01 | <Hixie> | svg 1.2 tiny got through CR, so presumably one just has to look at the tests they wrote to test <foreignObject>, and then see what part of the spec those tests are testing |
| 09:02 | <zcorpan_> | the svg 1.2 tiny testsuite is sad |
| 09:02 | <zcorpan_> | or should i say tiny |
| 09:03 | <Hixie> | i couldn't find it -- all i could find were about 600 tests somewhere |
| 09:03 | <Hixie> | i dunno where the actual test suite they used to exit CR is |
| 09:03 | <zcorpan_> | i think that's it |
| 09:03 | <Hixie> | what's it? |
| 09:03 | <zcorpan_> | the 600 tests are the testsuite |
| 09:03 | <Hixie> | can't be, that would mean they violated w3c process again |
| 09:04 | <zcorpan_> | i asked ed and he said there were about 600 tests |
| 09:04 | <zcorpan_> | iirc |
| 09:04 | <Hixie> | how odd |
| 09:04 | <Hixie> | i guess i'll ask www-svg |
| 09:09 | <annevk> | roc had some idea on how <foreignObject> should work at some point, though I believe it still had an issue with what exactly the root element would be |
| 09:11 | jgraham | wonders if zcorpan_ knows that he got invited to his house for New Year |
| 09:12 | <zcorpan_> | jgraham: yep :) |
| 09:12 | annevk | wonders if that sentence is grammatically dubious |
| 09:12 | <zcorpan_> | i.e. jgraham got invited to my house |
| 09:13 | <zcorpan_> | anyone else wanna join? |
| 09:15 | zcorpan_ | takes that as a no |
| 09:16 | <takkaria> | christ, Hixie, you've been working hard the last few days |
| 09:17 | annevk | will come to Linkoping somewhere in 2009 for slightly longer than a day :) |
| 09:18 | <zcorpan_> | annevk: we should have a beer at de klomp then |
| 09:18 | <annevk> | hehe |
| 09:19 | zcorpan_ | has been there once already |
| 09:19 | <annevk> | full of Dutchies? |
| 09:19 | <zcorpan_> | some of them were dutch |
| 09:19 | <annevk> | seems Hixie reached a new low: http://www.whatwg.org/issues/data.html |
| 09:22 | <zcorpan_> | though i had to ask for frietssaus so i'm a bit disappointed |
| 09:22 | <annevk> | maybe 'cause it's called mayo? |
| 09:23 | <zcorpan_> | whatever it's called i didn't get it without asking for it |
| 09:24 | <annevk> | :/ |
| 09:24 | <annevk> | do they have poffertjes? :) |
| 09:24 | <zcorpan_> | and they didn't wet the glass before drawing the beer |
| 09:25 | <zcorpan_> | no don't think so |
| 09:25 | <zcorpan_> | i had poffertjes when we were in amsterdam |
| 09:36 | <Hixie> | i'm trying to reach 1500 by the 31st |
| 09:38 | <takkaria> | Hixie: going on vacation any time soon? |
| 09:38 | <Hixie> | no |
| 09:48 | <roc> | annevk: what's the issue with foreignobject rendering? |
| 09:50 | <annevk> | roc, if <foreignObject> gives you a viewport, like <iframe> or something, what is the root element in http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#containing-block-details ? |
| 09:50 | <annevk> | in a case like <foreignObject> <html/> <html/> </foreignObject> |
| 09:50 | <roc> | ah |
| 09:50 | <roc> | this is certainly underspecified |
| 09:50 | <roc> | in Mozilla, <foreignObject> does not create a viewport |
| 09:52 | <roc> | it wraps the children in an anonymous block which is a block formatting context and an abs-pos container |
| 09:52 | <roc> | it should also be a fixed-pos container; we don't do that yet |
| 09:52 | <annevk> | ok, so a new kind of container basically? |
| 09:53 | <roc> | only the fixed-pos container part is really new |
| 09:53 | <roc> | but CSS transforms also need to create fixed-pos containers that are not the viewport |
| 09:54 | <roc> | and it's not that hard to do |
| 09:55 | <roc> | we already implemented fixed-pos container-ness for CSS transforms and extending that to foreignobject should be simple |
| 09:56 | <annevk> | kk |
| 09:58 | <roc> | I realize these decisions are a bit arbitrary but obviously if any child of the foreignobject can have a containing block that's outside the foreignobject, you're doomed |
| 10:51 | <Hixie> | some spec should actually define that somewhere |
| 10:51 | <Hixie> | but html5 isn't the right spec, so... |
| 11:05 | <Hixie> | gah, i wish there an xml parser spec |
| 11:05 | <Hixie> | where do specs define that a 'load' event is fired after parsing an xml doc? |
| 11:05 | <Hixie> | sigh |
| 11:05 | <Hixie> | maybe i should write a section for html5 that defines an xml parser |
| 11:14 | <Hixie> | i wonder what state dom3 events is in |
| 11:14 | <Hixie> | anyone following that at all? |
| 11:16 | <zcorpan_> | not me, though i probably should |
| 11:17 | <zcorpan_> | Hixie: <pre><code> breaks the leading line break authoring convenience feature |
| 11:17 | <Hixie> | as far as i can tell it _fixes_ the feature :-P |
| 11:18 | <zcorpan_> | and makes some people write <code><pre> instead which made you have to expand the aaa list |
| 11:18 | <Hixie> | *shrug* |
| 11:56 | <Lachy> | wtf? I just got a BSOD in Windows XP running inside a Virtual Machine |
| 11:58 | <Hixie> | what was the error? |
| 12:04 | <Lachy> | it was one that required it instantly restart, so I didn't get a chance to read the BSOD, as it only flashed for a second |
| 12:08 | <Philip`> | You can configure whether Windows restarts automatically on BSOD |
| 12:08 | <Philip`> | in, uh, Control Panel -> System -> Error Recovery or something like that? |
| 12:09 | <Philip`> | otherwise it'll always just restart straight away |
| 12:24 | <Lachy> | Philip`, I've had BSODs in the past that didn't automatically restart, and I've never touched that setting before |
| 13:09 | <zcorpan_> | is it just me or is lists.w3.org down? |
| 13:09 | <Hixie> | lists.w3.org is down more often than whatwg.org |
| 13:13 | <karlcow> | and me who thought that someone grew older a few days ago |
| 13:13 | <Hixie> | ? |
| 13:14 | <Hixie> | i believe that statement to be accurate |
| 13:14 | <Hixie> | whatwg.org is down all the time |
| 13:14 | <Hixie> | and lists.w3.org is down more often |
| 13:14 | <Hixie> | it's actually rather annoying (indeed, both are) |
| 14:12 | <gsnedders> | BenMillard has managed to get Hixie to call me "G" now, too :P |
| 14:16 | <zcorpan_> | Hixie, annevk: http://simon.html5.org/dump/content-venn.svg |
| 15:58 | <karlcow> | zcorpan_: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20081228#l-92 |
| 17:04 | <gsnedders> | Hixie: yt? |
| 17:23 | gsnedders | notes (gladly) he's got no bug reports on Anolis since 1.0 shipped |
| 21:00 | jwalden | applauds http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#sectioning-root for (already) saying that headings inside blockquotes don't contribute to outlines |
| 21:00 | <jwalden> | was afraid I was going to have to propose that to the list :-) |
| 21:00 | <gsnedders> | jwalden: But that means I don't need to read the algorithm and work that out! That's boring! |
| 21:02 | gsnedders | should create a service which just displays the outline for a document |
| 21:17 | <Philip`> | gsnedders: Does it really need to be a service, and not just a bookmarklet or whatever those things are called? |
| 21:38 | <gsnedders> | There are duplicate tests in the validator tests in html5ib |
| 21:40 | <Philip`> | That's to provide extra assurance that the validator implementations are deterministic, and that they don't fail if you feed them the same input twice |
| 21:44 | <gsnedders> | Actually, I think I'm being stupid |
| 21:44 | <gsnedders> | They are however outdated |
| 21:49 | <virtuelv> | gsnedders: just FYI, RDF is still relevant |
| 21:49 | <virtuelv> | thinking otherwise is misguided, at best |
| 21:50 | <virtuelv> | fwiw, on the relevance of w3c: web technologies are being used outside of average web 2.0-startups |
| 21:50 | <virtuelv> | (In reply to various tidbits on twitter) |
| 21:51 | Philip` | has only interacted with RDF data once, and that was dmoz.org's URL listing, and he just used regexps for that since he had no idea what else to do with it :-( |
| 21:53 | <virtuelv> | I'd just like to point out that every firefox extension uses rdf |
| 21:54 | gsnedders | notes that doesn't help bots crawling the web understand it |
| 21:55 | <gsnedders> | virtuelv: I'd say it'd be a push to say that RDF was irrelevant. but is it relevant for what it set out to do (i.e., making the web more semantic)? I see almost no websites using RDF, so it doesn't seem to have done what it was meant to |
| 21:56 | <virtuelv> | gsnedders: the web also happens to be more than what google is willing to index |
| 21:56 | <virtuelv> | "almost no websites"? |
| 21:56 | <virtuelv> | you know that RSS 1.0 is RDF? |
| 21:56 | <virtuelv> | and FOAF? |
| 21:56 | <gsnedders> | Yes, I am aware. |
| 21:56 | <gsnedders> | I have written a not unheard of feed parser |
| 21:56 | <virtuelv> | (Note, I'm not a huge RDF fan myself, but calling it "irrelevant" is hyperbole) |
| 21:57 | <gsnedders> | From a parsing point of view, RSS 1.0 isn't whatsoever |
| 21:57 | <gsnedders> | I don't think I touch anything in the RDF namespace at all |
| 21:58 | <gsnedders> | Well, apart from checking the root element |
| 21:59 | <virtuelv> | that you don't have to use an RDF parser to parse it, doesn |
| 21:59 | <virtuelv> | 't make it any less RDF |
| 21:59 | <gsnedders> | That you don't need to touch RDF at all does in my mind make the fact it is technically RDF irrelevant |
| 22:00 | Philip` | wonders what the motivation is for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420506 |
| 22:00 | <virtuelv> | fwiw, behind the scenes, http://www.rijksmuseum.nl/ is all semweb |
| 22:02 | <virtuelv> | (There was a pretty awesome presentation about that site at XTech in Dublin this year) |
| 22:02 | gsnedders | would've gone to XTech is study leave had started when it normally did and not two weeks later |
| 22:02 | <svl> | Philip`: iirc mostly that RDF code in Mozilla is effectively unmaintained and hard to work with. |
| 22:02 | <gsnedders> | *if |
| 22:05 | <Philip`> | I'm sure I saw something some time ago discussing trying to remove Mozilla's dependency on RDF for extensions, but I can't remember where I found that |
| 22:06 | <roc> | RDF might be an OK interchange format for some uses, but it's totally inappropriate as an internal data structure for an aplication |
| 22:11 | <virtuelv> | roc: and while I agree with that, I still hope that people can stop labelling it as "irrelevant" and other hyperbole |
| 22:28 | <gsnedders> | Anyone got any music suggestions for me? |
| 22:32 | <annevk> | oi va voi |
| 22:32 | <annevk> | spinvis |
| 22:33 | <virtuelv> | annevk: in Norway already again? |
| 22:34 | <annevk> | yeah, to celebrate new year and do some work :) |
| 22:35 | <svl> | gsnedders: http://viennateng.com/listen/ (in general: what kind of music do you like?) |
| 22:35 | <gsnedders> | svl: That's a hard question to answer. I like random things of pretty much any genre. |
| 22:36 | <annevk> | (my second suggestion is Dutch music btw) |
| 22:36 | <virtuelv> | gsnedders: Jan Garbarek |
| 22:36 | <gsnedders> | svl: http://www.last.fm/user/gsnedders if you want to get a vague idea |
| 22:36 | <gsnedders> | (the top two bands are such primarily because they a) have a lot of albums, b) I own all their albums) |
| 22:39 | <svl> | gsnedders: Almost but not entirely completely unlike my own taste. The one strain of recommendations I have branch off from Death Cab for Cutie: Try Mesh - http://www.mesh.co.uk/ - and No-man - http://www.myspace.com/nomanuk |
| 22:39 | <gsnedders> | annevk: The second one sounds nice, I just fail to understand everything :) |
| 22:47 | gsnedders | listens to preview of Mesh on last.fm and concludes it's way too like EDM |
| 22:47 | <gsnedders> | (EDM that I can at all stand is rare) |
| 22:51 | <gsnedders> | OK, nice load of suggestions |
| 22:54 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Random bands I have recently liked: Sigur Ros, The Decemberists, Malcolm Middleton |
| 22:54 | <jgraham> | s/bands/artists/ |
| 22:55 | <jgraham> | Bright Eyes, Bat for Lashes |
| 22:55 | <jgraham> | Joy Division, Arcade Fire |
| 22:56 | gsnedders | notes jgraham's list is longer than pretty much everyone else's put together ;) |
| 22:56 | <gsnedders> | * :) |
| 22:56 | <jgraham> | I can go on :) |
| 22:57 | <jgraham> | (but I don't know if I'm being useful or just naming bands that I like) |
| 22:57 | gsnedders | has heard of most of them |
| 22:57 | <jgraham> | Belle & Sebastian, Nick Cave |
| 22:57 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Oh, I like so much random stuff that naming bands you like is about as useful as you can be :) |
| 22:59 | <jgraham> | http://www.sigur-ros.co.uk/media/ has a bunch of free sigur ros to download |
| 22:59 | <gsnedders> | That's a good price. |
| 23:01 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Sorry, but Malcolm Middleton has a Scottish accent from the wrong part of Scotland. |
| 23:01 | jgraham | wonders who gsnedders hasn't heard of |
| 23:02 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Falkirk? |
| 23:02 | <jgraham> | Why is that the wrong part of scotland? |
| 23:02 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Wrong accent. |
| 23:02 | <gsnedders> | :) |
| 23:04 | <jgraham> | Oh well, I thought you'd like the humor and misery |
| 23:06 | <gsnedders> | :P |
| 23:06 | <gsnedders> | Nah, most of his stuffis decent |
| 23:08 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: I've heard of obscure stuff, just not what my friends have heard of ;) |
| 23:08 | <gsnedders> | * :) |
| 23:08 | gsnedders | can't type toniht |
| 23:08 | <gsnedders> | *tonight |
| 23:11 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: Eh? Since I don't know what your friends have heard of that doesn't help much |
| 23:11 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Oh, like what's actually popular |
| 23:11 | <jgraham> | Also: Flight of the Conchords (but it's good if you watch the TV show too) |
| 23:12 | <jgraham> | gsnedders: I have no idea what is acually popular. Nothing I like I guess |
| 23:12 | <jgraham> | Jeff Buckley. Is that too obvious? |
| 23:12 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: Nor do I. That's why I don't know what they like. |
| 23:12 | <jgraham> | amiina http://www.myspace.com/amiina |
| 23:13 | jgraham | doesn't thinnk he has ever linked to myspace before |
| 23:14 | gsnedders | wonders who in #whatwg has MySpace |
| 23:14 | gsnedders | doesn't |
| 23:17 | gsnedders | has been meaning to get some The View since before anyone had heard of them |
| 23:17 | <jgraham> | In other random culture recommendations, anyone who is in London soonish should try to visit the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition at the Natural History Museum |
| 23:17 | <gsnedders> | jgraham: "soonish"? |
| 23:18 | <jgraham> | Before it closes. I don't quie recall when that is. Maybe april? |
| 23:18 | <gsnedders> | 26 Apr 2009 |
| 23:18 | <gsnedders> | There's also an exhibition on Darwin till the 19th |
| 23:19 | gsnedders | wonders whether to go to London in Feb |
| 23:25 | <gsnedders> | me is very submissive, apparently |
| 23:29 | gsnedders | wonders how you pronounce Amiina |
| 23:35 | jgraham | generally has no idea how to pronounce icelandic words |
| 23:41 | <gsnedders> | Anyone got any clue about why <http://www.jrcnetwork.com/designprohibited/>; doesn't have its background image (which is a JPEG) match up (in a colour sense) with the background colour in Safari? |
| 23:41 | <Hixie> | the JPEG probably has a color space set |
| 23:41 | <Hixie> | to something other than sRGB |
| 23:42 | <jgraham> | I agrre with Hixie although it sems to WFM |
| 23:42 | <gsnedders> | Ah, OK |
| 23:42 | gsnedders | forgot that JPEG could have gamma explicitly |
| 23:43 | <Hixie> | oh yeah, could be the gamma too |
| 23:45 | <jgraham> | The colour space is set to sRGB |
| 23:45 | <gsnedders> | If I'm not reading the metadata wrong, it is sRGB, and there is no gamma set |
| 23:48 | <jwalden> | hm, html5 doesn't allow a profile attribute on <head>? seems like that "breaks" the part of the web that's wordpress-based, mostly |
| 23:48 | <gsnedders> | jwalden: One update to WP can fix that |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | jwalden: how does it break it? |
| 23:48 | <gsnedders> | jwalden: And WP is XHTML anyway, and good luck convincing them to output HTML. |
| 23:48 | <gsnedders> | Sorry, "XHTML". |
| 23:48 | <jwalden> | Hixie: "breaks" in the sense of doesn't validate, hence the quotes |
| 23:48 | <Hixie> | oh well it doesn't validate as html5 anyway |
| 23:49 | <Hixie> | it's html4 :-) |
| 23:49 | <Hixie> | or xhtml1 |
| 23:49 | <gsnedders> | No, it's XHTML 1.0 |
| 23:49 | <Hixie> | either way |
| 23:49 | <Hixie> | it's not going to validate |
| 23:49 | <jwalden> | sure, I'm ignoring the doctype error I get now |
| 23:49 | <gsnedders> | It's impossible to get WP to output HTML 4.01 |
