| 00:06 | <Hixie> | annevk: wait, what's this about onformchange? |
| 00:12 | <annevk> | Hixie, you can do it via event capture instead |
| 00:12 | <annevk> | Hixie, you lose the event handler shortcuts, but the disadvantage is not very big, and the feature is not a major win |
| 00:16 | gsnedders | wonders if playing loud death metal at 8am every morning is a suitable response to drunk flatmates making noise until 3am or so, and if it'll get a point across |
| 00:17 | <annevk> | i wouldn't count on it |
| 00:18 | <gsnedders> | Or playing it till 3am when they're having an early night |
| 00:28 | <Hixie> | annevk: how do you do capture handlers in markup? i don't understand |
| 00:30 | <jamesr_> | annevk: any thoughts on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010OctDec/0022.html ? |
| 00:32 | <jamesr_> | it's about XHR2's overrideMimeType |
| 00:35 | <annevk> | Hixie, well you don't |
| 00:35 | <Hixie> | annevk: that's the whole point of the feature |
| 00:36 | <Hixie> | so you can do e.g. <output onforminput="value = a.value * b.value"></output> |
| 00:37 | <annevk> | sure, but is that really worth all the added complexity? |
| 00:37 | <Hixie> | what extra complexity? it's two events |
| 00:37 | <annevk> | and two methods, no? |
| 00:37 | <annevk> | I don't care strongly |
| 00:38 | <annevk> | just happy to nuke features until demand is stronger |
| 00:38 | <annevk> | jamesr_, right yeah, I should answer that |
| 00:38 | <annevk> | jamesr_, I sort of wonder if it isn't already a problem with having both responseText and responseXML |
| 00:39 | <jamesr_> | .rT and .rX use the same encoding, no? |
| 00:39 | <Hixie> | well the methods just make things simpler to trigger |
| 00:39 | <jamesr_> | we just pass .rT to the XML parser to generate responseXML |
| 00:39 | <annevk> | jamesr_, I don't really like putting the complexity on authors; Mozilla indicated they would be willing to have both responseArrayBuffer and responseText; so did Maciej |
| 00:40 | <jamesr_> | responseArrayBuffer is orthogonal |
| 00:40 | <annevk> | no not really |
| 00:40 | <jamesr_> | if you are touching responseArrayBuffer then the overrideMimeType is irrelevant (since you are touching the raw bytes) |
| 00:40 | <annevk> | if responseArrayBuffer is always there overrideMimeType always working would not be an issue |
| 00:40 | <jamesr_> | i don't think so |
| 00:41 | <jamesr_> | depends on the exact semantics of responseArrayBuffer |
| 00:41 | <annevk> | because you could just recompute responseText et al when asked for |
| 00:41 | <jamesr_> | but that would _suck_ hardcore |
| 00:41 | <jamesr_> | re-decoding on access is unfeasible for XHR |
| 00:41 | <jamesr_> | i think mozilla tried that once |
| 00:41 | <jamesr_> | after you decode you have to store the decoded text |
| 00:41 | <annevk> | the Gecko developers are the ones not opposed |
| 00:41 | <annevk> | well sure, you can cache it |
| 00:42 | <jamesr_> | gecko doesn't support overrideMimeType as it is currently spec'd |
| 00:42 | <annevk> | I'm not saying you shouldn't do that |
| 00:42 | <jamesr_> | i don't think overrideMimeType should require keeping extra copies of the data around. whether responseArrayBuffer does is another discussion (that should probably happen on the list) |
| 00:43 | <annevk> | if responseArrayBuffer is always there I don't think that overrideMimeType always working adds much complexity |
| 00:43 | <annevk> | if resonseArrayBuffer is not always there that changes things |
| 00:44 | <jamesr_> | i don't think allowing overrideMimeType at arbitrary times adds much value, either |
| 00:44 | <annevk> | and yes, that should be discussed on the list; I myself have been occupied with some other things |
| 00:45 | <jamesr_> | the practical side of this is that pretty much everything in the world currently touches responseText and responseText only, so it's really important that we not regress that use case |
| 00:46 | <jamesr_> | anyway i understand being busy :). please respond when you do get a chance |
| 00:47 | <jamesr_> | i'm out for a while myself so i may not reply instantly |
| 00:47 | <annevk> | *sleep* |
| 00:48 | annevk | puts xhr in his agenda |
| 02:53 | <MikeSmith> | sroussey: hola |
| 02:54 | <sroussey> | Hi |
| 02:57 | <sroussey> | So maybe next week I can come up with some idea of what a console object should contain. Some things are well supported (console.log) and some are not (console.groupCollapsed) across browsers. It would be nice if debug code didn't have to have browser switches. |
| 03:01 | <Aleoss> | TotalValidator says I should use the summary attribute of the table element to make it comply with WAI, but when I put it in, it says that I should consider an alternative to summary. Any ideas? I'm using HTML5. |
| 03:02 | <Aleoss> | Anyone? |
| 03:06 | <MikeSmith> | sroussey: that would be good |
| 03:06 | <MikeSmith> | sroussey: this is probably one the best places to get quick feedback |
| 03:07 | <sroussey> | :) Good to know |
| 03:07 | <MikeSmith> | Aleoss: no idea what TotalValidator is |
| 03:50 | <MikeSmith> | I supposed "i utvikling" is probably not the best way to translate "in development" |
| 03:52 | <MikeSmith> | hmm |
| 03:52 | <MikeSmith> | or maybe it is |
| 03:52 | <MikeSmith> | http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwareudvikling |
| 03:53 | <MikeSmith> | is ud-/ut- a prefix of some kind? |
| 03:59 | <MikeSmith> | out |
| 04:04 | <MikeSmith> | vikling = winding? |
| 04:44 | <aho> | i want the jng format back |
| 04:45 | <aho> | in those cases where it makes sense to use, png32 is the only option, but unfortunately png32 is *much* larger |
| 04:45 | <aho> | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195280 <- nowadays their reasoning looks sorta silly |
| 04:46 | <aho> | given that i've seen sites which use a >300kb png32 as workaround |
| 04:47 | <aho> | mng is sorta pointless though |
| 04:47 | <aho> | but just jng... how hard could it be? :> |
| 04:48 | <aho> | i mean... if you can decode jpg and if you can read a png... you already got all the parts you need for reading jng |
| 04:48 | <aho> | (yea, this isn't really the right place for this... just rambling a bit here) :> |
| 04:52 | <MikeSmith> | what would be a good precise term to classify Firebug, Web Inspector, Dragonfly, etc.? |
| 04:53 | <MikeSmith> | Web developer debugging tools? |
| 04:53 | <MikeSmith> | Web application debugging tools |
| 04:56 | <MikeSmith> | or thinking of it in terms of what aspects of the tools have potential to be standardized across apps |
| 04:56 | <MikeSmith> | interfaces |
| 04:56 | <aho> | "web development tools" is used by wikipedia |
| 04:56 | <MikeSmith> | like the console object |
| 04:56 | <MikeSmith> | aho: yeah, not nearly precise enough for my needs |
| 04:56 | <MikeSmith> | Dreamweaver is a "web development tool" |
| 04:56 | <aho> | so is filezilla ;) |
| 04:57 | <MikeSmith> | "Web application debugging" interfaces |
| 04:57 | <aho> | but yea, it's odd that there doesnt seem to be a better name for this stuff |
| 04:57 | <MikeSmith> | dunno if "debugging" is the best word |
| 04:57 | <MikeSmith> | I guess I will go with "debugging" for now |
| 04:58 | <MikeSmith> | and "Web application debugging" |
| 04:58 | <aho> | you dont necessarily do debugging with it though |
| 04:58 | <MikeSmith> | rather than "Web developer debugging" |
| 04:58 | <MikeSmith> | aho: so what other tasks do you do? |
| 04:58 | <aho> | you can write css with it :> |
| 04:58 | <MikeSmith> | "debugging" is a pretty loose term in practice |
| 04:59 | <aho> | you can also do performance analysis stuff |
| 05:05 | <MikeSmith> | hmm |
| 05:05 | <MikeSmith> | true |
| 05:06 | <MikeSmith> | we have a group for that already |
| 05:06 | <MikeSmith> | Web Performance WG |
| 05:06 | <MikeSmith> | http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/ |
| 05:07 | <MikeSmith> | but that scope is too limiting |
| 05:07 | <MikeSmith> | it's only about performance |
| 05:11 | <MikeSmith> | sroussey: any suggestions? |
| 05:34 | <MikeSmith> | goodbye datagrid |
| 05:34 | <MikeSmith> | we barely knew yah |
| 05:39 | <karlcow> | http://ajaxian.com/archives/birth-of-the-datagrid-element-in-html-5 |
| 05:40 | <karlcow> | http://blog.whatwg.org/this-week-in-html-5-episode-31 |
| 05:40 | <karlcow> | http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=2961&to=2962 |
| 05:40 | <karlcow> | was looking for the inception date 2009-04-18 |
| 05:41 | <karlcow> | to http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5643&to=5644 2010-10-22 23:12 |
| 09:51 | <annevk> | yay Hixie for writing up that CP for ISSUE-27 |
| 10:02 | <annevk> | I do hope we get a replacement for <datagrid> within some reasonable amount of time |
| 10:15 | <hsivonen> | annevk: <table> + ARIA + JS lib |
| 10:19 | <annevk> | right, as I said... |
| 13:36 | <webr3> | annevk, anybody from opera, is CORS "Access-Control-Allow-Origin" supported by opera? |
| 13:36 | <gsnedders> | webr3: No |
| 13:36 | <gsnedders> | webr3: But will be in future |
| 13:37 | <webr3> | lol gsnedders! |
| 13:37 | <webr3> | thought best to double check that one :p |
| 13:37 | <gsnedders> | webr3: Well, I _do_ fall into the "anybody from opera" category :) |
| 13:38 | <Dashiva> | What if I work for an opera house? |
| 13:40 | <webr3> | gsnedders, cool didn't realise - and thus apologies! |
| 13:40 | <gsnedders> | webr3: Not realizing seemed like the plausible explanation — no need to apologize! :) |
| 16:36 | <sroussey> | MikeSmith: we sometimes loosely use "Browser Tools" or Browser Developer Tools. Note that I've seen people reuse Web Inspector to attach to V8/node server side javascript, but I don't think we need worry about that for the console object |
| 16:41 | <micheil_mbp> | sroussey: I've not seen that with v8/node, got a link? |
| 16:45 | <sroussey> | http://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector |
| 16:53 | <micheil> | ah |
| 16:53 | <micheil> | I always thought that was console based |
| 16:53 | <micheil> | (command line) |
| 17:02 | <sroussey> | It is, but you can have an agent relay events to a a browser, even events that are happening in the server itself |
| 17:02 | <micheil> | ah, cool |
| 17:02 | <micheil> | I've never really looked at it much |
| 17:05 | <MikeSmith> | sroussey: it seems like "browser tools" could mean a whole lot of things |
| 17:06 | <MikeSmith> | and "browser developer tools" sounds like something for developing browsers |
| 17:06 | <sroussey> | yes, true... |
| 17:07 | <sroussey> | Then you are back to "Web Developer Tools for Browsers" or some such. |
| 17:08 | <MikeSmith> | I'm at "Web application debugging" |
| 17:08 | <MikeSmith> | I'm not even sure about "tools" |
| 17:08 | <MikeSmith> | because what I need to describe are not the tools |
| 17:09 | <MikeSmith> | but the scope |
| 17:09 | <MikeSmith> | I am thinking "analysis" is another word that could be used |
| 17:09 | <MikeSmith> | "Web application analysis and debugging" |
| 17:09 | <MikeSmith> | maybe |
| 17:09 | <MikeSmith> | it's never fun to try to pick a name for any of this stuff |
| 17:25 | <sroussey> | No it is not! |
| 17:26 | <sroussey> | No fun at all... but "Web application analysis and debugging" is pretty decent |
| 17:26 | <Aleoss> | MikeSmith: Pick an acronym that can sound dirty. ;) |
| 17:26 | <sroussey> | Probably the most accurate I've seen |
| 17:27 | <MikeSmith> | Aleoss: I always try |
| 17:27 | <Aleoss> | MikeSmith: Examples: CLIT (Continuum Level/INI Toolkit) or ASSS (A Small Subspace Server) for this game called Continuum |
| 17:27 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 17:27 | <MikeSmith> | I like the way you think |
| 17:27 | <sroussey> | Heh, makes WAAD seem so pedestrian |
| 17:27 | <MikeSmith> | :) |
| 17:32 | <Aleoss> | MikeSmith: Just do WAD (Web Analysis Debugging) and figure out how to prefix CUM to the start of it. |
| 17:34 | <MikeSmith> | that's what we need more of |
| 17:35 | <MikeSmith> | for the Web platform |
| 17:35 | <MikeSmith> | more Redd Foxx |
| 17:35 | <MikeSmith> | more Chinga Chavin |
| 17:35 | <MikeSmith> | more Blowfly |
| 17:36 | <MikeSmith> | or short of that, more Kool Keith at least |
| 17:36 | <MikeSmith> | or more Kinky Friedman |
| 19:18 | <eboyjr> | I have a proposol for the DOM |
| 19:19 | <eboyjr> | I think that there should be an event for when window.location.href changes |
| 19:19 | <eboyjr> | Right now polling is not really the best way to do it |
| 19:19 | <eboyjr> | That's all thanks |
| 19:19 | <eboyjr> | :) |
| 19:20 | <boogyman> | eboyjr: as with the other channel, it's still okay to NOT use the enter button as punctuation :-s |
| 19:21 | <eboyjr> | boogyman: Yeah whoops :/ |
| 19:22 | <Dashiva> | eboyjr: Isn't that what onhashchange does? |
| 19:24 | <eboyjr> | Dashiva: Yeah it does, -.- thanks |
| 20:10 | <karlcow> | . |
| 20:11 | karlcow | is not sure to understand hixie's answer. It seems to move the outpost of the issue. (cf. rel) |
| 20:12 | <karlcow> | RISKS |
| 20:12 | <karlcow> | We might have to update the spec at some point in the future if for |
| 20:12 | <karlcow> | whatever reason the registry moves to another URL. However, that's a risk |
| 20:12 | <karlcow> | regardless of what solution we use, since if someone sets up a competing |
| 20:12 | <karlcow> | registry that wins in the market, we'd have to update the spec to point to |
| 20:12 | <karlcow> | that registry even if the previosuly "official" one still existed. |
| 20:13 | karlcow | wonders if a separate spec for rel values if it is expected to change more often would be needed and then could be used by other specs. |
| 20:15 | <Hixie> | the HTML spec is going to change far more often than the rel spec |
| 20:19 | <karlcow> | ok so no issue and no risk. |
| 21:38 | <MikeSmith> | I can see it making sense to have a rel spec that normatively references the HTML5 spec |
| 21:38 | <MikeSmith> | and possibly other specs |
| 21:39 | <MikeSmith> | like the RFC that mnot mentions that defines use of the license link type for Atom |
| 21:40 | <MikeSmith> | I especially can see it making sense if it calms some people down and lets us move on |
| 21:41 | <Ms2ger> | You think those people are ready to be calmed down? |
| 21:42 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: maybe not, but I hope it might help to redirect some energy to other places |
| 21:42 | <MikeSmith> | other places where it might be more productively applied |
| 21:43 | <MikeSmith> | it would be great if we had more people who understood the spirit of the "Something is wrong on the Internet" meme |
| 21:48 | <Dashiva> | Did you mean: Someone is wrong on the internet |
| 21:49 | <Ms2ger> | He meant "MikeSmith is wrong on the Internet." |
| 21:50 | <MikeSmith> | I am definitely wrooong |
| 21:50 | <MikeSmith> | just like am baaad |
| 21:50 | <Dashiva> | Can you please stop, I want to sleep tonight... |
| 21:50 | <MikeSmith> | and I am wicked |
| 21:51 | <MikeSmith> | I am the mutha who put the word "fuck" in muthafucker. |
| 21:52 | <Dashiva> | So how would you translate badass into Japanese? |
| 21:54 | <MikeSmith> | hmm |
| 21:54 | <MikeSmith> | good question |
| 21:54 | <paul_irish> | does a media query change selector specificity? |
| 21:55 | <paul_irish> | feels like it should.. though i see nothing in the specs indicating that. |
| 21:55 | <MikeSmith> | paul_irish: not in the CSS specs either? |
| 21:55 | <MikeSmith> | I mean, not just in the selector api spec |
| 21:56 | <MikeSmith> | Dashiva: I do realize the comic is "someone", but I think the meme is more about "something" |
| 21:56 | <MikeSmith> | but maybe that's just me |
| 21:56 | <Dashiva> | I think so |
| 21:57 | <MikeSmith> | well, then, no wonder more people don't understand it! |
| 21:57 | <MikeSmith> | I'm the only one who uses it that way |
| 21:57 | <Dashiva> | See the title text of the comic |
| 21:58 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, I remember that |
| 21:58 | <MikeSmith> | "they won't quit being wrong" |
| 21:58 | <MikeSmith> | or whatever it says |
| 21:59 | <MikeSmith> | anyway, something is clearly wrong on the Internet, if people can't just can't think about particular memes the same way I do |
| 21:59 | <MikeSmith> | paul_irish: I am looking at the specs now |
| 21:59 | <MikeSmith> | fwiw |
| 21:59 | <Dashiva> | But surely it's not only wrong on the internet :P |
| 22:00 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 22:01 | <paul_irish> | MikeSmith: just tested it in everywhere but IE and media queries seem to not increase specifity |
| 22:01 | <MikeSmith> | paul_irish: maybe dbaron would now |
| 22:01 | <MikeSmith> | *know |
| 22:01 | <karlcow> | someone can't be wrong in Japan :) |
| 22:02 | <paul_irish> | MikeSmith: Should i file a ticket somewhere so this can be noted in the selector api spec? |
| 22:02 | <dbaron> | media queries don't increase specificity |
| 22:02 | <paul_irish> | ta |
| 22:02 | <MikeSmith> | paul_irish: should file if it's not clear, yeah |
| 22:03 | <MikeSmith> | dbaron: is there a particular place in a spec where this is addressed that paul_irish might have missed? |
| 22:03 | <dbaron> | well, the spec doesn't say anything about them increasing specificity |
| 22:03 | <dbaron> | so there's no particular place |
| 22:03 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 22:03 | <MikeSmith> | fair enough |
| 22:04 | <MikeSmith> | so it might be worth adding something to make it clear |
| 22:04 | <MikeSmith> | I think anne is the one working most actively on the MQ spec right now |
| 22:04 | <MikeSmith> | paul_irish: CSS WG doesn't use bugzilla and doesn't have an automated tracker otherwise |
| 22:04 | <MikeSmith> | iirc |
| 22:05 | <paul_irish> | Oh! :) okay. i'll just bug anne next time i see him |
| 22:05 | <MikeSmith> | last time I had changes about MQ spec to suggest, I e-mailed them to anne and cc'ed www-archive |
| 22:10 | <MikeSmith> | Dashiva: あいつすごい |
| 22:10 | <MikeSmith> | maybe |
| 22:10 | <MikeSmith> | すげぇあいつ |
| 22:11 | <MikeSmith> | あいつスゲーなー |
| 22:11 | <MikeSmith> | etc. |
| 22:12 | <karlcow> | déclaration d'amour |
| 22:13 | Ms2ger | wonders why there's no bugzilla component for web dom core |
| 22:13 | <karlcow> | すげぇ… hmmm ちょっと… |
| 22:13 | <MikeSmith> | やべあいつ |
| 22:13 | <Dashiva> | MikeSmith: Doesn't seem to convey the bad part of badass, though... |
| 22:13 | <Dashiva> | Maybe there are no badasses in Japan |
| 22:13 | <MikeSmith> | Dashiva: well, translation tools might not do anything useful with that |
| 22:14 | <MikeSmith> | but in practice |
| 22:14 | <MikeSmith> | やばい、すごい ＋ あいつ |
| 22:14 | <MikeSmith> | actually, probably やばい more than すごい |
| 22:14 | <MikeSmith> | these days |
| 22:15 | <karlcow> | MikeSmith: what is the context of bad ass? |
| 22:16 | <MikeSmith> | I dunno |
| 22:16 | <MikeSmith> | normal context |
| 22:17 | <karlcow> | ok |
| 22:17 | <karlcow> | a tough, aggressive, or uncooperative person |
| 22:18 | <MikeSmith> | hmm |
| 22:18 | <MikeSmith> | maybe |
| 22:19 | <MikeSmith> | it's like the word "muthafucker" or "motherfucker" |
| 22:19 | <MikeSmith> | it could mean somebody who you think is really great |
| 22:19 | <MikeSmith> | or it could be somebody you just really hate |
| 22:20 | <MikeSmith> | it depends on how you use it |
| 22:20 | karlcow | has someone whispering: やばい or いかつい or あぶない |
| 22:20 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 22:20 | <karlcow> | in the context of really bad. |
| 22:20 | <Dashiva> | Well, it's sort of both |
| 22:20 | <MikeSmith> | karlcow: ask your sources :) |
| 22:21 | <MikeSmith> | Dashiva: you know ちょう? |
| 22:21 | <Dashiva> | They have the ready-to-be-unleashed potential of being bad, but they aren't actually bad |
| 22:21 | <Dashiva> | 超? |
| 22:21 | <MikeSmith> | this could probably use a ちょう or チョー as well |
| 22:21 | <Dashiva> | The prefix for like "super" or "way"? |
| 22:21 | <karlcow> | あいつ（that guy）,イカツイ(orやばいorあぶない)よな。 |
| 22:22 | <MikeSmith> | yeah |
| 22:22 | <MikeSmith> | in sense of "super2 |
| 22:22 | <MikeSmith> | karlcow: ah yeah |
| 22:22 | <MikeSmith> | イカツイ |
| 22:22 | <MikeSmith> | I hear |
| 22:22 | <Aleoss> | MikeSmith: Did you come up with a creative acronym? ;) |
| 22:22 | <MikeSmith> | sometimes |
| 22:22 | <Dashiva> | I guess that one is decent |
| 22:23 | <karlcow> | the positive way |
| 22:23 | <karlcow> | あいつ（that guy）,やばい(orきてるorかっこいい..) |
| 22:23 | <karlcow> | but the most current, (she said), would be for positive or negative is やばい |
| 22:23 | <MikeSmith> | チョーやべ、あいつ |
| 22:23 | <karlcow> | the tone makes the difference |
| 22:24 | <MikeSmith> | yeah, if you say it to somebody while they are down on the ground and you are kicking them in the ribs, it has a bit of a different meaning |
| 22:24 | <Dashiva> | Should make a new word, やばかっこ or something |
| 22:26 | <MikeSmith> | Aleoss: working on it |
| 22:26 | <karlcow> | in French, I guess I would use "connard" (for the not positive way) |
| 22:27 | <MikeSmith> | Aleoss: been listening to me Blowfly album "Punk rock party" |
| 22:27 | <MikeSmith> | for inspiration |
| 22:28 | <MikeSmith> | which is a Blowfly pinnacle |
| 22:28 | <MikeSmith> | in a long career of pinnacles |
| 22:28 | <MikeSmith> | dude always outdoes himself |
| 22:28 | <MikeSmith> | and he's like, 100 years old now or something |
| 22:29 | <MikeSmith> | he is a genuine inspiration |
| 22:29 | <MikeSmith> | he should write motivational books |
| 22:29 | <MikeSmith> | like Deepak Chopra and such |
| 22:29 | <MikeSmith> | now that would be something |
| 22:29 | <MikeSmith> | Blowfly's Guide to Life |
| 22:29 | <karlcow> | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/badass |
| 22:30 | <slartsa> | hey, someone deleted my picture from that site! |
| 22:31 | <karlcow> | slartsa: lost+found⊙fc |
| 22:32 | <slartsa> | it's hard being sarcastic in IRC |
| 22:33 | <karlcow> | and fantastic too |
| 22:33 | <karlcow> | or more exactly on any text only communication. |
| 22:34 | <gsnedders> | I find even audio makes a lot of humour hard |
| 22:34 | <MikeSmith> | heh, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/badass is funny |
| 22:34 | <MikeSmith> | "The virile guy just looks badass." |
| 22:35 | <MikeSmith> | now, there's a real-world sentence |
| 22:35 | <karlcow> | gsnedders: yep. audio only freaks me out too. I need the look/face/body language of people to have a better understanding. |
| 22:36 | <karlcow> | I have a record of EPIC misunderstandings with online written texts. |
| 22:36 | <MikeSmith> | holy god |
| 22:37 | <MikeSmith> | you learn something new every day |
| 22:37 | <MikeSmith> | "Paradoxically, Clarence Reid is a staunch, bible-toting Christian" |
| 22:37 | <MikeSmith> | http://www.nndb.com/people/559/000087298/ |
| 22:37 | gsnedders | basically fell out with an ex-gf (i.e., this is how she became an ex) by a misunderstanding on IM |
| 22:37 | <MikeSmith> | [[ |
| 22:37 | <MikeSmith> | quick to call out hypocritical Christians who chastise him for his ways. "Those muthafuckas should all sit on a giant butt plug," he says. "Most of them don't truly understand what the Bible is saying" |
| 22:37 | karlcow | has no idea what MikeSmith is talking about :) |
| 22:37 | <MikeSmith> | amen to that |
| 22:38 | <MikeSmith> | karlcow: most nobody else does either |
| 22:38 | <MikeSmith> | I reckon |
| 22:38 | <MikeSmith> | so I will shut up |
| 22:38 | <karlcow> | no no |
| 22:38 | <MikeSmith> | hey |
| 22:38 | <karlcow> | I would prefer to understand who is clarence reid |
| 22:39 | <MikeSmith> | the "sit on a giant butt plug" part makes me think of MLW |
| 22:39 | <MikeSmith> | maybe Blowfly is MLW!! |
| 22:39 | <MikeSmith> | it so fits |
| 22:39 | <karlcow> | giant butt plug can't be that bad. OT would say it's all a question of breathing |
| 22:39 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 22:39 | <Ms2ger> | MLW and MikeSmith both start with an M. Coincidence? |
| 22:40 | <MikeSmith> | Ms2ger: sign from God |
| 22:41 | <karlcow> | Ms2ger too with a M, and without forgetting the murderer of Dusseldorf |
| 22:41 | <karlcow> | Hans Beckert |
| 22:43 | <karlcow> | could that be a way to select Change Proposals? http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/23/old-film-rejection-s.html |
| 23:06 | <karlcow> | http://ivory.idyll.org/blog/oct-10/sky-is-falling |
| 23:15 | <Dashiva> | karlcow: I like how the very first comment is "the tools will save us" |
| 23:16 | <karlcow> | they always do somehow, sometimes brutally. BOOM! |
| 23:18 | <MikeSmith> | of course the tools will ultimately destroy us |
| 23:18 | <MikeSmith> | and replace us with tools |
| 23:20 | <Dashiva> | hey will save us from our untoolness |
| 23:20 | <MikeSmith> | Dashiva: you just want to be a tool |
| 23:20 | <karlcow> | I had this dream one night of this week where we found a way to outlive our bodies and we were put in a sort of supercomputer where we could continue to live without limit of space and time (digital world, mathematical metaphor) but… |
| 23:20 | <MikeSmith> | hey , you are already a tool! |
| 23:21 | <MikeSmith> | just kidding |
| 23:21 | <MikeSmith> | I'm a tool too |
| 23:21 | <karlcow> | then suddenly an animal comes around, or just a rock falling on the on/off button and extinct all civilizations :) zwwwwiiiig. |
| 23:21 | <MikeSmith> | karlcow: nobody wants to hear about your dreams |
| 23:21 | <MikeSmith> | BORING |
| 23:22 | <MikeSmith> | what lame dream |
| 23:22 | <Dashiva> | <karlkow> or just a rock falling on the planet earth and extinct all civilizations :) zwwwwiiiig. |
| 23:22 | <MikeSmith> | it does have some violence though |
| 23:22 | <karlcow> | :D there's a dream with MikeSmith too… but cough |
| 23:22 | <MikeSmith> | heh |
| 23:22 | <MikeSmith> | put some sex into that dream |
| 23:22 | <MikeSmith> | some nasty stuff |
| 23:22 | <MikeSmith> | then you may have something |
| 23:22 | <MikeSmith> | some bestiality maybe |
| 23:23 | <MikeSmith> | you got an animal in there already |
| 23:23 | <MikeSmith> | so that's a plus |
| 23:23 | <MikeSmith> | work with it |
| 23:23 | karlcow | is making mental images for tonight |
| 23:24 | <MikeSmith> | man, I am really filling up the channel with crap today |
| 23:24 | <MikeSmith> | I would hate to see these logs |
| 23:24 | <MikeSmith> | people reading the logs: sorry |
| 23:25 | <MikeSmith> | actually, not sorry |
| 23:25 | <MikeSmith> | if you are reading the logs of this channel, you are lame |
| 23:25 | <Dashiva> | Seppuku is the only way out now, MikeSmith |
| 23:25 | <MikeSmith> | and you need to get a real life |
| 23:25 | <MikeSmith> | Dashiva: I tried that once |
| 23:25 | <MikeSmith> | with a butter knife |
| 23:25 | <MikeSmith> | too much work |
| 23:26 | <MikeSmith> | hey, good example of "tools will save us" |
| 23:26 | <MikeSmith> | if I had had a real knife, I wouldn't be here now |
| 23:27 | <karlcow> | hmm wood sword already done |
| 23:36 | <gsnedders> | Hah, awesome. Club till 2am on the 31st Oct. But the clocks go back here at 2am on the 31st :) |
| 23:36 | <gsnedders> | So which 2am… |
| 23:38 | <Philip`> | If they go back at 2am, I imagine that means they go to 01:59:59.999... then back to 01:00:00, so it's only 2am once |