| 00:14 | <MikeSmith> | Web-Application Analysis and Debugging Technologies |
| 00:15 | <benschwarz> | MikeSmith: Hola :) |
| 00:16 | <MikeSmith> | benschwarz: aqui |
| 00:43 | <MikeSmith> | http://getfirebug.com/ locks up my Minefield |
| 00:43 | <MikeSmith> | hmm |
| 00:43 | <MikeSmith> | maybe it's OK |
| 01:53 | karlcow | is doing stupid stats on words into html5 |
| 01:53 | <karlcow> | word frequency exactly |
| 01:53 | <karlcow> | cat HTML5.txt | tr -sc '[A-Z][a-z]' '[\012*]' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr > html5-sorted.txt |
| 01:55 | <karlcow> | first significant noun is "element" (5691) |
| 02:10 | <Dashiva> | karlcow: I would include - |
| 02:26 | <karlcow> | Dashiva: as an acceptable character? |
| 02:46 | <Dashiva> | karlcow: Yes |
| 10:20 | <Karen_m> | when designing websites, is there a great resource for learning? a good book, something/anything? |
| 10:20 | <Karen_m> | i stumble when it comes to the design of sites |
| 10:21 | <aho> | there probably aren't many designers here |
| 11:00 | <webben> | Karen_m: I haven't read it, but I've heard positive things about http://www.amazon.co.uk/Non-designers-Design-Book-Typographic-Principles/dp/1566091594 |
| 11:01 | <webben> | Karen_m: See also http://usability.gov/ , http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dont-Make-Think-Usability-Circle-Com/dp/0789723107 , http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/ , http://webtypography.net/ |
| 11:03 | <MikeSmith> | Karen_m: using View Source and developer tools in browser |
| 11:03 | <MikeSmith> | *browsers |
| 11:03 | <MikeSmith> | like Firebug |
| 11:04 | <MikeSmith> | copying somebody's existing CSS locally and modifying it to see what happens |
| 11:07 | <Karen_m> | I've been stealing (well, copying/modifying.. but when it comes to my own color schemes or layout, it's horrible :) |
| 11:09 | <webben> | Karen_m: Also http://www.adobe.com/products/kuler/ ... re color schemes. |
| 11:19 | <MikeSmith> | so we have several different efforts in the works on defining a remote-debugging protocol |
| 11:20 | <MikeSmith> | Firebug Crossfire, ChromeDevTools, Opera Dragonfly |
| 11:21 | <MikeSmith> | and WebKit Web Inspector protocol? |
| 11:21 | <MikeSmith> | which is different from the ChromeDevTools protocol? |
| 11:22 | <MikeSmith> | is it time that we should be trying to define a standard protocol for this? |
| 11:26 | <MikeSmith> | s/Dragonfly/Scope/ |
| 12:37 | <annevk> | so it seems I'm lame, but why would Media Queries say anything about specificity? |
| 12:38 | <Ms2ger> | Because some people think they would increase specificity |
| 12:38 | <Ms2ger> | (No idea why they would) |
| 12:39 | <annevk> | that's like thinking an <h1> starts hauling at the moon if you do not enclose it in <section> |
| 12:39 | <annevk> | maybe not quite that bad |
| 12:40 | <annevk> | but giving stating all the negative cases as well would make specifications almost infinitely long |
| 12:40 | <annevk> | s/giving// |
| 12:47 | <Ms2ger> | Though css-cascade would probably be a better place for such a note |
| 13:06 | <karlcow> | cat HTML5.txt | tr -sc '[A-Z][a-z][\-??]' '[\012*]' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr > html5-sorted.txt |
| 13:07 | <karlcow> | Dashiva: first word with a dash: case-insensitive (154) |
| 13:08 | <karlcow> | ah another interesting case, not caught by the current regex :) 80 UTF- |
| 13:45 | <karlcow> | above 1000 occurences after removing common words such the, a, etc.: element (5648) | attribute (4219) | U (3630) | must (2579) | value (2337) | user (2113) | elements (1632) | content (1432) | name (1303) | input (1178) | character (1177) | p (1149) | state (1101) | agent (1068) | set (1047) |
| 13:46 | <Ms2ger> | Looks like you need to allow + |
| 13:46 | <karlcow> | for U :) |
| 13:48 | <karlcow> | or more exactly U+ and digits |
| 13:49 | <karlcow> | or more exactly U+ and digits/letters |
| 13:59 | <karlcow> | U+000A (90) | U+0020 (86) | U+002D (73) | U+0030 (69) | U+0009 (67) | U+0039 (62) | U+003E (59) | U+000D (55) | U+003C (49) | U+00338 (49) | U+000C (47) | U+002F (46) | U+0041 (44) | U+005A (39) | U+0022 (35) | U+0061 (32) | U+0027 (31) | U+007A (27) | U+003A (23) | U+0023 (21) | U+0FE00 (20) | U+0026 (20) | U+003B (18) | U+020D2 (17) | U+003D (17) | U+002E (13) | U+002B (13) | U+002C (11) | U+0021 (11) | U+003F (10) |
| 21:30 | <hendry> | wiki.whatwg.org doesn't seem to like HTML5 <video controls src="http://static.natalian.org/2010-10-24/html5-vim.ogv">; |
| 23:27 | gsnedders | finds pages relying upon input@name being a named getter |
| 23:39 | <MikeSmith> | what's the right way to represent variadic args in WebIDL? |
| 23:40 | <MikeSmith> | oh |
| 23:40 | <MikeSmith> | is there a "variadic" keyword? |
| 23:40 | MikeSmith | tries |
| 23:42 | <MikeSmith> | hmm, just "..." I guess |
| 23:47 | MikeSmith | now tries to figure how to represent it in a way that refspecs WebIDL preprocessor can parse |
| 23:48 | <MikeSmith> | if anybody who has used refspec with spec that have methods with variable number of arguments, and can clue me in on how to mark it up, I would appreciate it |
| 23:49 | <Philip`> | HTML5 has things with variable numbers of arguments |
| 23:49 | <MikeSmith> | Philip`: yeah, but I think Hixie maintains the source for those in actual WebIDL |
| 23:50 | <MikeSmith> | whereas Refspec uses some markup so it can generate syntax highlighting and hyperlinks and such |
| 23:50 | <Philip`> | Oh |
| 23:50 | Philip` | knows nothing about Refspec |
| 23:51 | <MikeSmith> | it seems to work pretty well |
| 23:52 | <MikeSmith> | but for me right now, it's just one more thing with idiosyncracies to figure out when all I really want to do is get a simple draft written |
| 23:53 | <MikeSmith> | I guess I'll just move on for now and bug Berjon about it later when he gets online |